what is the meaning of intent is not magic?

It makes the difference between murder and manslaughter. Why is it a meme in the Social Justice sites?

From Ginny a moderator at the other
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1232

When a well-meaning, generally conscientious person accidentally says or does something that's hurtful to an oppressed group, and the oppressed group reacts with appropriate anger, the well-meaning person is faced with a cognitive dissonance. They think of themselves as a good person, good people don't hurt oppressed people, but the oppressed people are acting like they've been hurt. There are several paths out of this cognitive dissonance: one is to decide that the oppressed people are way overreacting: they can't have really been that hurt, or maybe they are but what you're saying is so important to say that it justifies the hurt. Another, which often overlaps with that, is to insist that what you meant is all-important: if you weren't trying to hurt them, you're clearly not a bad person, so they shouldn't be yelling at you.

Unfortunately, this is the number one reason that topics get derailed over there. A user (usually a newbie) makes the blunder, a dog pile happens, the newbie doubles down, and then gets suspended or banned and the discussion halts.

scott1328 wrote:

Unfortunately, this is the number one reason that topics get derailed over there. A user (usually a newbie) makes the blunder, a dog pile happens, the newbie doubles down, and then gets suspended or banned and the discussion halts.

What do you want here?

Atheist Dude wrote:

scott1328 wrote:

Unfortunately, this is the number one reason that topics get derailed over there. A user (usually a newbie) makes the blunder, a dog pile happens, the newbie doubles down, and then gets suspended or banned and the discussion halts.

What do you want here?

I am not sure what you mean, but I am going to interpret your question to mean, "what do you want for this forum?" Please correct if I am wrong.

What I would like to see is no dog piles, one correction is enough and then let the topic continue. If the correction is disputed, that should be spun off to a new thread where the disputants can have at each other with gusto.

scott1328 wrote:

Atheist Dude wrote:

scott1328 wrote:

Unfortunately, this is the number one reason that topics get derailed over there. A user (usually a newbie) makes the blunder, a dog pile happens, the newbie doubles down, and then gets suspended or banned and the discussion halts.

What do you want here?

I am not sure what you mean, but I am going to interpret your question to mean, "what do you want for this forum?" Please correct if I am wrong.

Sorry, I was joking.

"What do you want here?" is often asked of a newbie, just prior to getting dog-piled.

Atheist Dude wrote:

scott1328 wrote:

Unfortunately, this is the number one reason that topics get derailed over there. A user (usually a newbie) makes the blunder, a dog pile happens, the newbie doubles down, and then gets suspended or banned and the discussion halts.

What do you want here?

Kosh wrote:Never ask that.

I do believe that Atheist Dude is cutting up on certain people....

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=716&start=400#p39005

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2157&start=50#p34874

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1454&start=50#p29165

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2331#p37723

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2246

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2070

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1951&start=25#p30078

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1999&start=25#p32344

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1628&start=75#p25093

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1401&start=50#p28260

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1647&start=100#p26537

actually, this would be easier: http://www.google.ca/search?as_q=&as_epq=what+do+you+want&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=atheismplus.com&as_occt=any&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights=#q=%22what+do+you+want%22+site:atheismplus.com&hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&prmd=imvns&ei=rm2MUOmlL4Xq8gTIl4Eg&start=10&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=2d99481a745e4aad&bpcl=35466521&biw=1366&bih=677

Atheist Dude wrote:

scott1328 wrote:

Atheist Dude wrote:

scott1328 wrote:

Unfortunately, this is the number one reason that topics get derailed over there. A user (usually a newbie) makes the blunder, a dog pile happens, the newbie doubles down, and then gets suspended or banned and the discussion halts.

What do you want here?

I am not sure what you mean, but I am going to interpret your question to mean, "what do you want for this forum?" Please correct if I am wrong.

Sorry, I was joking.

"What do you want here?" is often asked of a newbie, just prior to getting dog-piled.

I am glad to hear that, for a moment I thought you might be one of the bullies from the safe place. But, did you notice I chose the best interpretation of your question and did not assume hostility? It's what adults do, listen up, Safe Space, you could learn something.

scott1328 wrote:From Ginny a moderator at the other
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1232

When a well-meaning, generally conscientious person accidentally says or does something that's hurtful to an oppressed group, and the oppressed group reacts with appropriate anger, the well-meaning person is faced with a cognitive dissonance. They think of themselves as a good person, good people don't hurt oppressed people, but the oppressed people are acting like they've been hurt. There are several paths out of this cognitive dissonance: one is to decide that the oppressed people are way overreacting: they can't have really been that hurt, or maybe they are but what you're saying is so important to say that it justifies the hurt. Another, which often overlaps with that, is to insist that what you meant is all-important: if you weren't trying to hurt them, you're clearly not a bad person, so they shouldn't be yelling at you.

With 'friends' like this policing their discourse and keeping them down it's hardly suprising that these 'oppressed groups' are still oppressed.

Nothing could better illustrate which group are really the needy ones who need all discourse to be regulated.

scott1328 wrote:

Atheist Dude wrote:

scott1328 wrote:

Atheist Dude wrote:

scott1328 wrote:

Unfortunately, this is the number one reason that topics get derailed over there. A user (usually a newbie) makes the blunder, a dog pile happens, the newbie doubles down, and then gets suspended or banned and the discussion halts.

What do you want here?

I am not sure what you mean, but I am going to interpret your question to mean, "what do you want for this forum?" Please correct if I am wrong.

Sorry, I was joking.

"What do you want here?" is often asked of a newbie, just prior to getting dog-piled.

I am glad to hear that, for a moment I thought you might be one of the bullies from the safe place. But, did you notice I chose the best interpretation of your question and did not assume hostility? It's what adults do, listen up, Safe Space, you could learn something.

I find it so refreshing to have a rational conversation, without all the histrionics.

Dar wrote:

Atheist Dude wrote:

scott1328 wrote:

Unfortunately, this is the number one reason that topics get derailed over there. A user (usually a newbie) makes the blunder, a dog pile happens, the newbie doubles down, and then gets suspended or banned and the discussion halts.

What do you want here?

Kosh wrote:Never ask that.

I do believe that Atheist Dude is cutting up on certain people....

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=716&start=400#p39005

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2157&start=50#p34874

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1454&start=50#p29165

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2331#p37723

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2246

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2070

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1951&start=25#p30078

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1999&start=25#p32344

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1628&start=75#p25093

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1401&start=50#p28260

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1647&start=100#p26537

actually, this would be easier: http://www.google.ca/search?as_q=&as_epq=what+do+you+want&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=atheismplus.com&as_occt=any&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights=#q=%22what+do+you+want%22+site:atheismplus.com&hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&prmd=imvns&ei=rm2MUOmlL4Xq8gTIl4Eg&start=10&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=2d99481a745e4aad&bpcl=35466521&biw=1366&bih=677

I've grown to despise "what do you want here" "intent is not magic" and "privileged"

atheistDude wrote:

scott1328 wrote:
I am glad to hear that, for a moment I thought you might be one of the bullies from the safe place. But, did you notice I chose the best interpretation of your question and did not assume hostility? It's what adults do, listen up, Safe Space, you could learn something.

I find it so refreshing to have a rational conversation, without all the histrionics.

FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU!!1!

devilsadvocate wrote:

I'm having a flashback.

anima wrote:It makes the difference between murder and manslaughter. Why is it a meme in the Social Justice sites?

Sorry, philosopher:

[quote=I do believe that Atheist Dude is cutting up on certain people....

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=716&start=400#p39005

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2157&start=50#p34874

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1454&start=50#p29165

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2331#p37723

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2246

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2070

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1951&start=25#p30078

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1999&start=25#p32344

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1628&start=75#p25093

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1401&start=50#p28260

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1647&start=100#p26537

I've grown to despise "what do you want here" "intent is not magic" and "privileged"
[/quote]

Agreed, this is the exact reason I couldn't bring myself to join the A+ site.